ELD wrote:The only thing I'll say in defense of traditional martial arts is this: MMA is not fighting, and there are tons of rules. MMA is a relatively safe way to have fighting be a sport. It's awesome, and I enjoy training and watching it. That said, it's not the same thing as fighting. There are SOOOO many things that are illegal in MMA, and they're mostly things that are too dangerous to allow people to do. Strikes to the collar bone, back of the head, heels to the kidney from guard, the list goes on and on.
Traditional martial arts have to evolve. Once you think you have all the answers, and stop evolving to find those answers, you're obsolete.
Quite an odd list of "OMG too dangerous for MMA" techniques.
Collar bone breaks are not exactly life-threatening. Heck - babies get them when they're born. And is it really a foul to strike the collar bone? I think you might be thinking of "grabbing" the collar bone.
Punches to the back of the head. OK - I think we have seen uh....1 KO from those? They used to happen quite a bit in the old days of MMA - you can even see them being used against Gracies in their old challenge matches. They weren't really that effective.
Kind of a lot to hang the hopes of TMAs on.
Heels to kidneys was allowed in early MMA. BJ Penn used them. They've been used, and I think it turned out they didn't really do much - not even sure why they were banned.
Again - it's quite meagre to go from that to some kind of defence of TMAs generally.
Either way - this line of defence is spurious.
To look at two elite strikers/grapplers boxing, kicking, wrastling and jitsuing in a cage and say "no that's not fighting" and instead point to some hypothetical, untested scenarios ( where you think d*ck-punching is going to legitimize hundreds of years of monkey-claw prancing about) as REAL fighting....no.
I mean it's difficult to get through all the ways in which this line of reasoning is misguided.
Here are a few:
- Even if your martial art incorporates techniques which are illegal in MMA, you are also not practicing them in a live/competitive situation.
- Even if your martial art incorporates techniques which are illegal in MMA, this doesn't save your martial art from critique if you are not practising the rest of your techniques in a live/competitive format with a minimal rule set versus practitioners of other styles (ie: MMA).
- Even if your martial art incorporates techniques which are illegal in MMA, if it is relying on that fact to legitimize itself, then it is probably a useless style. If you need to pull hair and punch dicks in order for the rest of your system of punches and kicks and blocks to be deemed "effective" - then your "art" is shit.
- No one is really practising "real" fighting.
- Anderson Silva will still kick the shit out of the best d*ck-punching, hair-grabbing, eye-gouging TMA specialist out there.